buldog065147 wrote:Can any one tell me what the helmet plate, the collar dogs and shoulder titles and facings on collars and cuffs would have been in 1879.
I am taking into consideration 1881 reforms and subsequent appointment to 'royal' in 85.
So, after 81 would they have complied with the reforms and had white facings on collars and cuffs if so what would the BC helmet plate and centre, collar dogs and shoulder title have been?
After 85 what was the helmet plate, collar dogs and shoulder titles like. I assume blue facings on collars and cuffs.
I have seen a post 81 style large BC helmet star plate with 66 in the centre would this have been post last Shako and pre 'royal'
I know its complicated but its of great importance.
buldog065147 wrote:Thanks for imput to date......Very informative
However Ill explain further so there is no mystery.
I have been doing military reenacting for years. Five years of that was with the'Diehards' who portrayed Middlesex Regiment 1882/86. Home Service. A simple uniform with the white facings and jampot cuffs and all the buff equipment that went with it.
We also dropped back in time and went to Africa in 1999 for the 120th anniversary as 24th Foot. as you will agree their change over from 24th to SWB was also a simple transition.
The group I am with has some 30 years experience in producing authentic public displays and presentations from Victorian to WW2 and we have to have it right,
We have a new client for whom we have recently done an event at Eastney Barracks Southsea. It was sp successful they want us to do it again next year with an Afghan theme. There will be modern marines, Marines through the ages and of course with the Berks being the forerunners of marines and being at Maiwand they are the most likely regiment for portrayal as Victorian soldiers.
The whole problem is getting the kit right.
I have BC helmet and 7 button red tunic with white facings,
Already I see complications with badges, buckles facings. due to 1879/81 transitions prior to 'royal'.
Therefore, My solution is: Go post 'royal' Home Service with BC helmet with Star plate and Royal Berks HC with Stag.
Replace my white facings on my tunic as blue. Reverse the shoulder titles to hide 'Middlesex' Have Royal Berks or what ever stitched into reverse side. Ill need to know that.
I can wear the std Victorian crown buckle. Ill need to check for collar dogs because that dragon has to come in somewhere Im sure.
What do you think?
buldog065147 wrote:A bit of a dilemma yes. However we get a free hand to do what we want. We do have the facilties in putting some of the younger members into KD with blue puttes and toecapless boots.They didnt normally wear helmet plates on campaign so helmet covers on the correct solar helmets will make a nice effect along with grubby buff leather gear and martinis. I can then extend this into the post Afghan period for contrast. We may even get a WW1 and WW2 Berkshires set up bringing us into present day. it could work.
All our weapons fire to there could also be a display of firepower from military weapons through the ages.
As for myself:
All I need to know now is what dogs they wore as a royal regiment and did they have stitched in shoulder titles as say for Middlesex?
With regard to the 5 button earlier tunic does that have the two piped lines and two GS buttons on the back?
Also is it the same format fro the facings as for 24th foot with white trifoil/treffoil? knot embelishment on the cuffs because we have all that.
FROGSMILE wrote: The post 1885 dogs were dragons, as posted in the other thread, but I will show them again here and yes, the titles were embroidered in white worsted, I think as R.BERKSHIRE, or R.BERKS, but that will need to be checked.
buldog065147 wrote:Ok, Thanks again, It so happens I have those 'dogs'. All I need to establish is the exact lettering for the shoulder tab because I have a man who can do that on a machine.. Ill post further if clitches arise.
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