1st Class Reserve Section C

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1st Class Reserve Section C

Postby cr1tical » 17 Feb 2017 10:17

I've seen Sections A and B explained on the forum but what were the characteristics of Section C? My man had signed for 7 and 5 in 1884 but had been overseas at the appropriate time and served 8 and 4 - was it to do with this?

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Re: 1st Class Reserve Section C

Postby grumpy » 17 Feb 2017 23:44

Infuriating: I researched this a long time ago and cannot find the notes. Still looking.

For the moment, section C was subsumed into section B around 1900, so must have been similar. Section B was where men normally did their reserve service on half pay. Section A was about 50 men per regiment and was for men in their first year on the reserve who signed for instant liability and received full pay. Section D was voluntary and comprised men who signed for extra 4 years liability after the end of section B.

More when I can find it.
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Re: 1st Class Reserve Section C

Postby cr1tical » 18 Feb 2017 10:40

Thanks Grumpy - I've seen earlier posts around this from you so hope you find your notes!

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Re: 1st Class Reserve Section C

Postby grumpy » 18 Feb 2017 15:50

Still digging. Section C appears to have disappeared between 1900 and 1907 .................
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Re: 1st Class Reserve Section C

Postby cr1tical » 18 Feb 2017 16:06

Sitrep (also digging) A House of Lords debate in 1909:

"in that year [1899) sections A, B, and C, which corresponded to sections A and B now, dropped to 37,000. so you are right on the money"
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Re: 1st Class Reserve Section C

Postby cr1tical » 18 Feb 2017 16:28

Reading between the lines on Hansard (not always the most sensible thing), I would guess that the Territorial and Reserve Forces Act 1907 was wot dun it. The Lord Raglan no less speaks on 16 July 1908 about the act and says:

"We all know that an immense and most dangerous reduction has been made in the Regular Forces by His Majesty's Government, but it is amazing that quite recently the War Office have closed almost the whole of Section D. of the Army Reserve. I should like to ask the noble Lord the Under-Secretary of State for War why Section D. of the Army Reserve has been closed. It is most remarkable that the War Office seem determined, whenever it is in any way possible, to reduce the number of His Majesty's soldiers. If they can issue an order, such as that closing Section D., which will affect very large numbers of men, that order is issued; if they can, by any twisting of regulations, issue an order which will discharge men, that is done; and the result is that the Regular Army, as regards both officers and men, is in a state of commotion and turmoil, and in a great number of cases in a thoroughly dissatisfied condition". The answer broadly was that there were enough reserves and that the closure was just a temporary measure (!!).

Although this refers to Section D, it does suggest that the Act reconfigured the reserves completely.

May help to narrow down the search?

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Re: 1st Class Reserve Section C

Postby grumpy » 21 Feb 2017 20:04

CRACKED IT!

Army First Class Reserve: Section C
The Manual of Military Law 1899 [I summarise] defines this section as soldiers who convert army [colour] service into reserve service. These are men allowed to enter the reserve Section C before expiry of colour service. After the completion of their notional colour service they are entered into Section B.
Example: a man signs for 7 with colours and 5 in reserve, but accepts the offer [made from time to time] of going on the reserve 2 years early. He will thus do 2 years in Section C, and then be transferred to Section B for 5 years.
The Manual of Military Law 1907 states that Section C was abolished by AO 202 of 1904.
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Re: 1st Class Reserve Section C

Postby grumpy » 21 Feb 2017 21:00

1st October 1904, published November 1904.

Vital help from GS and RC acknowledged!
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Re: 1st Class Reserve Section C

Postby cr1tical » 21 Feb 2017 22:48

I am in awe of your perseverance! Thank you very much, all sections now neatly accounted for.

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