alysania wrote:Hello! The family recently found an old photo album amongst my grandfather's things after he passed away. None of us knew that this album existed, and none of the photos are labelled, making identification nearly impossible. I know that a relative (via records I've found online) served in the British Army (North West Frontier of India 1897-98 and Tirah 1897-98) and was discharged in 1904. I'm looking to figure out which one of these photos is him, and, if possible, any information on the uniforms that might lead me to figure out who the unidentified individuals are. In case you're interested in checking out the whole album, it's posted online - http://www.sheetar.com/2011/11/17/red-velvet-victorian-photo-album/#more-4263.
1. http://www.sheetar.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Scan0006.jpg - Taken in Plymouth, UK
2. http://www.sheetar.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Scan0067.jpg - Taken in Dublin
3. http://www.sheetar.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Scan0035.jpg - No marking on front or back of the photo indicating where this was taken. The majority of this part of the family was from Lawhitton, Cornwall, UK, if that helps.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
alysania wrote:This is incredible! And such a quick response! Thank you!
Okay, I went back and looked at the service record for Harry Battin (via findmypast.co.uk). I'll admit that I don't know much about what I'm looking at in terms of the form, but the information you provided helped me sort this out. The form is a Short Service form, and the service record images all state that they're copyrighted, so while I'd love to post them here, it doesn't sound like that's a good idea.
Name: Harry Battin
Corps: D of Corn's L I (Duke of Cornwall's Light Infantry is listed below)
Joined at: Bodmin
on: 1 October 1892
On the third page, Statement of Services, it lists "D" under "Battn. or Depot) for where he attested, and then 1st Battalion for 1894 (with a note about him being granted a P G.C. which I'm assuming is the good conduct badge), and also 1st Battalion in 1898 (with a note that he was granted something illegible). There's also a note below these saying, "Elected to come under Regulations governing issue of Messing Allowance, in accordance with provisions of para. 5, Army Order 65 of 1898.
On the Military History section it lists the following:
Home: 1 Oct 1892 to 31 Jan 1894
India: 1 Feb 1894 to 21 Dec 1900
Ceylon: 22 Dec 1900 to 29 Dec 1902
Home: 30 Dec 1902 to 30 Sep 1904
Does all of this fit with the photos? Or am I looking at someone else? I found a brief history via wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_of_Co ... t_Infantry) that seems to match the locations to his particular service record.
I can't seem to read anything from the shoulders with magnification - they're all old cabinet cards and not exactly top quality unfortunately.
alysania wrote:Frogsmile, you are an absolute treasure. This fills in so much information in my family tree, and it's really interesting to find all of this out and match the photos to a name. I really can't even begin to express how much you've helped me!
HMS Vivid! That would fit the lettering on his cap perfectly. I still can't find records that match this unknown sailor - he's one of four sons, and now that we've got Harry down, it's three. One of the three died at age 19 before his mother (if you look in the background of that last photo, you can see the gravestones - it has to be July 1884), leaving me with a choice of two. I've searched through the national archives documents and findmypast.co.uk and haven't been able to find a record. Is there anywhere else I might be able to look to confirm the identity of that man?
I cannot help you with genealogy as I do not have the knowledge or facilities but other forum members such as Martin do and will perhaps be able to assist you.
If you believe that the man in picture 1 can be narrowed down to two brothers, can you now give their names and approximate dates and places of birth?
crimea1854 wrote:I've tried every route I can think of to identify your man but have got nowhere. Since he was in th Navy after 1873 there should be a service record for him. I'm no expert on ladies fashion, as my wife tells me, but I did wonder if perhaps this were a later generation?
alysania wrote:I figured I'd follow up since I've worked out a little more information. Going with another theory, that it's a wedding photo, I was thinking the date was 1898 for Mary Jane Battin's marriage to John Samuel Creber. Two of her sisters (Bessie & Kate) are definitely in the photo, and John had four sisters, so the other gals could be his sisters. George Battin is definitely seated in the center and he died in 1909, so the date would have to be earlier than that, which makes the 1898 wedding make sense.
John Samuel Creber also had two brothers, one who was in the navy. Theophilus George Creber listed his occupation as "Master at Arms" on the 1891 census, living at Devonport, and by 1911 he lists himself as retired Navy. I think I have my man!
Thank you both, again, for all of your help!
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