Brett Payne wrote:
That's amazing Frogsmile - you are fast! I'm very grateful for the detailed interpretation that you've provided. I compared it with the uniform in Brawn/Chesterfield portrait
which you described as Review Order Dress, probably of the Derbyshire Regiment c. 1899-1901, but found some significant differences, and therefore decided to post it over here.
Am I correct in my understanding then, that the Chesterfield portrait and this one are likely to depict men from the same unit, the 1st Derbyshire Rifle Volunteers, although from different companies and time frames?
It is my pleasure to help Brett.
The other photo was the uniform for a later period after the volunteers had adopted the uniform of their parent unit, but with the addition of Austrian knots to indicate their volunteer origin. In this photo the man is still wearing the 'independent' uniform of the Derbyshire Rifle Volunteers. There were two battalions of the DRV.
In answer to your question yes - different companies and different time frames and the 'title' of the unit had changed by the time of the other photo, but it was the 'same' body of men. The period between 1880 and 1908 was one of great change for the Volunteers and can be very confusing.
You must remember that uniforms did not transform instantly that a change in title took place, because of the expense (and affection for established and hitherto 'independent' tradition). I suspect that the change to the Sherwood Foresters uniform 'probably' did not begin to take place until after the 1887 change of title.
23.7.1859 Raised as 1st, 4th, 6th, 12th, 13th
, 15th, 19th and 20th Derbyshire Rifle Volunteer Corps.
10.7.1860 Became the 1st Admin Battalion at Derby
24.2.1880 Became the 1st (i.e. battalion) Derbyshire Rifle Volunteers (there was also a 2nd Battalion DRV)
1.7.1881 Became a Volunteer Battalion of The Sherwood Foresters
1.4.1887 Became the 1st Volunteer Battalion The Sherwood Foresters (Derbyshire).
1908 Became the 5th (Territorial Force) Battalion The Sherwood Foresters (Notts & Derby).
In 1881 the old numbered regiments of the Regular Army
were re-organised and most were amalgamated and given territorial titles. The 45th (the Nottinghamshire Sherwood Foresters) Regiment became the 1st battalion of the new regiment, and the 95th (the Derbyshire) Regiment of Foot became the 2nd battalion. The new title was The Sherwood Foresters ( Derbyshire Regiment) which remained until 1902 when it changed to Notts & Derby rather than just Derbyshire. Also included in the new regiment were the militia forming the 3rd and 4th battalions. The Derbyshire Militia (Chatsworth Rifles) formed the 3rd, and the Nottinghamshire or Royal Sherwood Foresters formed the 4th. The HQ was in Derby. The volunteer battalions were: 1st Derby, 2nd Chesterfield, 3rd Nottingham, and 4th Newark.