Royal Marine Light Infantry c1880

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Royal Marine Light Infantry c1880

Postby pittpiper » 20 Sep 2009 20:43

Hi,
Does anyone have any pictures of the tunic worn by the RMLI c1880?
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Re: Royal Marine Light Infantry c1880

Postby Isandlwana » 20 Sep 2009 21:48

Sam,

I've got a few to hand:

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Sergeant R.M.L.I. Cape Town 1879

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Sergeant R.M.L.I. circa 1881

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Marine, R.M.L.I. circa 1881

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Drummer R.M.L.I., Malta circa 1880

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Marine, R.M.L.I. 1870's

I've got a few others, just a matter of finding where the Memsahib has hidden them!

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Re: Royal Marine Light Infantry c1880

Postby pittpiper » 21 Sep 2009 23:15

Isandlwana,
Thank you for the pictures. This was exactly what I was looking for. In the second to last picture the man on the left in glengarry, and the man standing alone in the last picture are wearing uniforms with the single loop on the cuffs and shoulder cords. Was this the RMLI fatigue tunic? It appears to be identical to the Royal Engineers fatigue tunic of the time.
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Re: Royal Marine Light Infantry c1880

Postby Isandlwana » 22 Sep 2009 19:12

Sam,

That is the five-button 1872 pattern serge frock, here's a head & shoulders shot of a Sergeant, R.E., wearing one in Colchester, circa 1879/80, but pre-1881.

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This was a working frock as opposed the the seven-button full dress tunic as worn by this Corporal, R.E., taken in Gibraltar, post 1881.

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The seven-button tunic has the more elaborate Austrian knots to the cuffs, rather than the simple loop.

I help that helps?

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Re: Royal Marine Light Infantry c1880

Postby pittpiper » 22 Sep 2009 23:55

Isandlawana,
Thank you. These pictures are excellent. Do you have any others of the 1872 pattern serge frock? The sergeant seems to have yellow piping around the entire collar, where as other pictures I have seen show it only around the base, as with the RMLI tunics in your pictures. The tunics being worn by the RMLI drummer and young man in the last picture you posted seem very similar to the RE serge frock. I am aware the the RMLI had blue working frocks (as worn in Egypt in 1882), but was this tunic with the single loop on the cuffs and shoulder cords, also worn for duties where the dress tunic was not required?
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Re: Royal Marine Light Infantry c1880

Postby Eric CL » 23 Sep 2009 11:48

I guess the frock with the single loop is an Undress garment, as opposed to the blue 'working' frock. It is the first time I think that I see such frocks, but I know pictures of the following decade with a similar Undress frock without white piping, with blue shoulder straps featuring the white embroidered 'Globe & Laurels' as on the Dress tunic.

A possibility is that this Undress frock was peculiar to musicians - a better view of the right arm on the last picture would have tell us more.

Great pictures, Isandlwana, by the way.

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Re: Royal Marine Light Infantry c1880

Postby pittpiper » 23 Sep 2009 20:32

Good point Eric. The Marine in the last picture does look rather young and could be a musician.
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Re: Royal Marine Light Infantry c1880

Postby Isandlwana » 25 Sep 2009 09:38

Eric & Sam,

The five-button serge frock wasn't exclusive to bandsmen, the curious thing to me is the fact that "Bootnecks" were still wearing the 1872 pattern long after the Army had adopted the 1874 pattern five-button serge.

With regard to the blue working jacket, here are some the Active's Marines photographed on 11th December 1878, on the Natal side of the Thukela (Tugela) River wearing said jacket.

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Re: Royal Marine Light Infantry c1880

Postby fossie65 » 25 Aug 2013 10:47

Hi,this is a picture of my grgreat grandfather who served in the RMLI pictured with his son,could anyone please tell me what the four chevrons on the lower sleave stood for thanks.
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Re: Royal Marine Light Infantry c1880

Postby theironduke1 » 25 Aug 2013 22:37

They are for eighteen years good conduct. The Royal Marines had the same system as the army which was as follows:

1 Chevron - 2 years service of good conduct
2 Chevrons - 6 Years
3 Chevrons - 12 Years
4 Chevrons - 18 Years
5 Chevrons - 23 Years
6 Chevrons - 28 Years

Chevrons were only worn by corporals (bombardiers in the Royal Artillery & Royal Marine Artillery) and below.
Before 1881 the chevrons were worn on the right sleeve.
(Ref: "Rank Badges & Dates" by Ottley Lane Perry 1888)
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Re: Royal Marine Light Infantry c1880

Postby fossie65 » 25 Aug 2013 23:51

Thanks the ironduke 1,Ive managed to get hold of his service records,his son beside him later served in the boer war his son my grandfather in the second world war in which he lost his life and my father 21years Royal Navy.
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Re: Royal Marine Light Infantry c1880

Postby theironduke1 » 26 Aug 2013 17:55

Thanks fossie65. When I see such an amazing record like that of service and sacrifice to our country I get very upset at the indifference toward our armed services by civilians and politicians alike. You should be very proud of your family.

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Re: Royal Marine Light Infantry c1880

Postby gregory128 » 19 May 2015 02:26

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Hello, i am very sorry for reviving a very old thread, but i thought i may be relevant to post an image of my 1880's frock considering current images of early frocks are being ever scarcer. I used my computer camera, so sorry for the bad quality. It looks like its been heavily used. The buttons have been replaced along the way with kings crowns.
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Re: Royal Marine Light Infantry c1880

Postby Frogsmile » 23 May 2015 17:20

Are the buttons RMLI pattern? Are you saying it is a RMLI 1880 pattern frock?
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Re: Royal Marine Light Infantry c1880

Postby gregory128 » 23 May 2015 18:14

Hi Frogsmile, sorry for the late reply. Sadly not, the buttons have been replaced with kings crown general service buttons. However you can see from the inside the current buttons are not original. I based the frock on the information provided in the thread. Blue cuffs, no badges, it has no pleated rear vents, white cord, blue facings, and it has the unrecognizable tattered remains of a stuck on label. On the other hand though, if you have a better suggestion, it would be very much appreciated.
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