trooper wrote:[b][i]The order for "17th Lancers to direct"would only indicate that the other regiments in the Brigade would keep position relative to the 17th during the advance, in other words the 17th would be the marker for the Brigade.
jf42 wrote: As far as 'carried away' is concerned, it is indeed that sense of appropriation or theft that leads me to doubt the order as it was written could have indicated anything other than captured guns. Presumably, Nolan was aware of the belief that the guns were being removed. If so, then that is where I have difficulty in accepting that he thought the Cossack battery was the objective Raglan intended.
jf42 wrote:Swordswoman wrote: a Victorian gentleman more familiar with the drawing room than the realities of a battlefield.
By the way, is that not possibly being a little harsh on the good Lord Raglan? It may have been almost forty years before but the empty sleeve did indicate some experience of the battlefield- although not of actual command!
jf42 wrote: For all the reasons you state, I agree with you absolutely that the idea of Nolan deliberately misdirecting the Light Brigade is not credible.
There is, though, the question of how Nolan was standing - or sitting- in relation to the objectives. A right arm carelessly flung back-hand is not as accurate as a penetrating forehand thrust. I seem to remember the 1968 film hedged their bets.
‘His lordship exclaimed attack and where and what guns Sir. Nolan pointed with his sword towards the end of the Valley and cried out “There My Lord is your enemy, and there are your guns.”’ (Blunt)
‘Before departing [Nolan] received careful instruction from both Lord Raglan and the Quartermaster General’ (Calthorpe)
‘After advancing about eighty yards, a shell fell within reach of my horse’s feet, and Captain Nolan, who was riding across the front retreated with his arm up through the intervals of the brigade.’ - Cardigan
‘Captain Nolan, who was galloping about in front at about the distance of 100 yards from the Light Brigade, and in no way leading the charge, was killed by a shell.’ - Cardigan
‘Poor Nolan galloped some way in front of the brigade, waving his sword and encouraging his men by voice and gesture. Before they had gone any distance the enemy’s guns opened on them at long range. Nolan was the first man killed.’ – Calthorpe
‘I was only about 70 yards from Captain Nolan and distinctly saw every movement… As soon as the brigade was fairly in motion… Nolan rode away from the 13th at speed… reached a position in front of the centre of the 17th, gave his order “threes right” with his horse’s head facing the regiment, at the same time waving his sword to the right, which signified “take ground to the right”, then turned and galloped towards the Causeway Heights. At that moment a shell exploded…’ - Morley
‘We had not proceeded far when the batteries right and left were enabled to reach us, and almost before we had struck into the gallop, poor Captain Nolan (who rode in front of our regiment) was struck by a piece of shell which burst near him. He uttered a fearful cry; at the same time his horse turned about and made for the rear through our squadron interval.’ – Mitchell
‘I have no recollection of his’ (Nolan’s) ‘divergence in the manner described by Mr. Kinglake either by deed or gesture until after he was struck.’ Fitz Maxse, italics mine.
‘ride up to Captain Morris, then commanding the 17th Lancers, to whom he said “Now, Morris, for a bit of fun!” Scarcely had he uttered these words than he was shot, being at the time on [my] left front. After giving a kind of yell which sounded very much like “Threes right,” and throwing his sword-hand above his head, his horse wheeled to the right and he fell to the rear.’ - Nunnerley
‘We had barely ridden 200 yards and were still at the trot, when poor Nolan’s fate came to him. I did not see him across Cardigan’s front, but I did see the shell explode of which a fragment struck him. From his raised sword-hand dropped the sword, but the arm remained erect. Kinglake writes that “what had once been Nolan maintained the strong military seat until the erect form fell out of the saddle” but this was not so. The sword-arm indeed remained upraised and rigid, but all the other limbs so curled in on the contorted trunk as by a spasm, that we wondered for a moment how the huddled form kept the saddle. It was the sudden convulsive twitch of the bridle hand inward on the chest that caused the charger to wheel rearward so abruptly. The weird shriek and the awful face as rider and horse disappeared haunt me now to this day, the first horror of that ride of horrors.’ – Wightman
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